US built M38A1 vs. dutch built M38A1 nekaf (2024)

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Postby shoeshop » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:01 am

is there any difference between the US built willys M38A1 and the ducth built nekaf M38A1?

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Postby Joe Gopan » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:36 am

Post some pics of the NEKAF Jeep you have in mind.

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Postby shoeshop » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:02 am

http://www.gaf92.nl/generaaltjes/upload ... 1051_1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.legervoertuigen.nl/nekaf/nek ... de_kap.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.legervoertuigen.nl/nekaf/nekaf_dashboard.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

over here there are not many US built M38A1 driving around so I cant compare

1945 willys MB #451674 (under restoration) OREGON FOX
hood number #20718239 S (SOLD)
1944 chevy G506 (needs restoration)
1943 gmc cckw 352 (needs restoration) WILD BOAR
194? ben hur trailler (partly restored)
1968 Reo M624 dump truck

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Postby Joe Gopan » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:22 am

Note the Hotchkiss wheels on side view of the Dutch Jeep.

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Postby Jim M » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:11 am

Was the nekaf M38A1 equipped with this headlight switch?
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Postby shoeshop » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:05 am

I have no idea, the jeep with the hotchkiss rims is for sale/trade Im thinking to trade my reo M624 for it (these jeeps are better the sell over here) US built M38A1 vs. dutch built M38A1 nekaf (6)

1945 willys MB #451674 (under restoration) OREGON FOX
hood number #20718239 S (SOLD)
1944 chevy G506 (needs restoration)
1943 gmc cckw 352 (needs restoration) WILD BOAR
194? ben hur trailler (partly restored)
1968 Reo M624 dump truck

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Postby Joe Gopan » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:00 am

Second pic of Dutch M-38A1 illustrates the directional lights common to the Dutch Jeep.

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Postby Joe Gopan » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:02 am

Third pic shows some sort of controll on passenger side that US Version does not have.

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Postby gianjeep » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:46 am

yes there are a lot of differences between the 2 model,
in the Third pic the controller is for disconnect the battery(us don't have),nekaf a1 was fitted with directional signal(us don't have) ,in the front of fendere was fitted with an extra directional lights(us no),little welding in the frame,like a little reinforcement weld on rear cross member(us no),electrical swithces are the same as (directional controller,lights switch,..)like a munga have,or dutch veicles have ,extra reinforcement for nekaf was add in the side of the body like a round protection bolted on both side,lot of engine was rebuild by dutch army with little mod,but a knew engine plate was fitted ,i've an engine with date of rebuild 1982,rims are the same(with a little hole),2 bosh electrical washing viper was add to the nekef jeep(us have a vac viper),electrical controller was fitted,also nekaf jeeps was fitted with a electrical heater,inside the fire wall with a proper 2 speed electrical switch..and more

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Postby Nic Jackson » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:33 am

NEKAF Jeeps had smaller headlights, Indicators front and rear, plus one each side forward of rear wheels.
My NEKAF has vacuum wipers, also had added city lights on the Grille, and dual brake lights were fitted to the rear.
Tyres were generally Dutch as were the batteries and other ancillary equipment.
As Ben noticed and GianJeep pertained too the Battery isolation switch is also a Dutch addon, ( Very hard to get the little switch!!!!)

Not all Dutch jeeps had heaters fitted, the tub was fibreglassed underneath to protect against very wet European weather common in the Netherlands, also the canvas side curtains and roof canvas were covered in a rubberised finish.

The light switch was generally the same as the American Jeeps, with the 3 way switches.

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Postby lewbob » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:48 am

The Dutch Nekaf jeeps were all US manufactured and are therefore basically the same as the late US M38A1s. Nevertheless, and as Nic points out, there are quite a number of differences incorporated at assembly time in Holland:
Small headlights, extra front side lights, indicators with protected side repeaters, and two left hand tail light units.
Extra reflectors and mountings positioned on the front wings/fenders. Original rear, left hand side reflector relocated higher up.
Kilometre speedometer and Dutch language dash plates, including the fording plate, installed.
Battery cut-off switch fitted into the right hand side dash board and all the Dutch ‘A1s had the auxiliary outlet receptacle fitted on the right hand side.
Eye bolts fitted to the rear cross member for trailer chains.
Extra radio outlet box added to right hand read wheel arch.
Tube fittings for flags added at each end of the front bumper.
Locally produced items included windscreen glass, tyres, batteries, all straps and canvas.
Some but not all had locally manufactured wheels and there are two types. These tend to be now randomly mixed up throughout all the Dutch jeeps amongst the regular US wheels.
All the venting for the master cylinder, etc, is still in place rather than stripped off as per the FM instructions. All the Dutch jeeps are heavily undersealed which delaminates and then traps the water!
Some but by no means all were fitted with the extra fibreglass front foot wells mentioned by Nic.
All had two Trico vacuum wipers fitted, with the hand assist levers.
All are fitted with a closing plate on the outside of the spring shackles (or is that just normal on all late M38A1s?)
None had heaters fitted as standard. Also door and enclosure fittings were rarely, if ever fitted.
There are a few more less-visible changes like the small extension to the centre, right hand side, body mounting bracket on the chassis.

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Postby Joe Gopan » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:03 pm

Those "closing plates" you refer to are a component of 120753 (928764) Closed Spring Shackle Kit which started appearing on late 1954 and up M-38A1 and M-170 Jeeps. The Serial Number break was at 75966 on M-38A1 and wasinstalled on all M-170 Jeeps.

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Postby gianjeep » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:47 pm

and nekaf A1have a very similar radiator to the US model ,but,
http://imageshack.us/a/img811/3450/a1rad.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ford gpw,6/1942
m38,5/1952
m38a1,7/1954
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Postby gianjeep » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:50 pm

and the engine rebuild plate .,
http://imageshack.us/a/img820/3333/a1engplat9.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ford gpw,6/1942
m38,5/1952
m38a1,7/1954
cj5 232 i six 4/1971

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Postby gianjeep » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:51 pm

the Nekaf heater,,.
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/1324/a1risc.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ford gpw,6/1942
m38,5/1952
m38a1,7/1954
cj5 232 i six 4/1971

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